Angies List Complaint - Yet Another Bit of Feedback
I got this email the other day and wanted to share it with y’all. The original author informed me that she was asking for a refund and was planning to cancel payment via her credit card company if Angies List didn’t give her a refund.
Edit for clarity:They sent this to Angie’s List customer support first and then sent a copy to me
Dear Angie,We are in the midst of remodeling several portions of our home and were quite excited to discover your service. Last Thursday I signed up for a one year membership and contacted a contractor from your list. I was very excited because this company had awards and eight times more reviews than the other contractors in the category. The prices quoted on all of their jobs in the reviews were low. The quality of the work in the picture appeared impressive.
I scheduled an appointment for Saturday afternoon. The company was very pleasant on the phone and the representative who came to our home was also nice.Angie’s List is a great concept, but it’s not turning out to be as easy or helpful as I at first believed it would be.
Reason? It seems more of a starting point, with lots of investigative work still to be done. Good contractors may not be on the list and bad ones may be.
The caveat is that I’m still new to this and have only contacted one business.
I will not, however, even consider using the business I contacted.Here is my problem.
I understood that the contractors on your list could only be there if one of their clients (nominated them) wrote a review and put them there. “They cannot buy their way onto the list.”
Is this correct?
In a general conversation with this contractor, I was told that you solicited him. “Angie’s List was mostly on the East Coast. A couple of years ago when they expanded West they (needed a list and) called us and asked if they could list us. At first I was skeptical, but I finally told them that as long as it was free they could list us. Our business took off from there.”Do you solicit businesses?
The story has a ring of truth to it. If the story is true, it bothers me immensely.
At least in the beginning, it doesn’t appear that this company came to your list from a client.
Of course. You need a list to start building a list. You have to start somewhere to get members so that they can submit reviews.
Angie’s List is a business.
However…
It seems that building a list in this way compromises the list’s integrity.
This is not the online Yellow Pages advertising and supporting businesses, but rather a service to help consumers choose a business they can trust. Right?
How can you build trust on a foundation of deception?Actually, to take this a step further, what is to prevent someone from getting on the list by writing a review of their business while posing as a client?
What’s to prevent someone from padding their reviews by writing several himself or by soliciting friends or family to do so?
Checks and balances. Consumers can post unfavorable reviews…
but perhaps there is also an easy way around that…
My husband found one company with an unfavorable review and felt strongly that the contractor padded his account with positive letters - I think he said five - to raise his average and counteract the negative report. My husband felt all five letters were written by the same person because all were typed in caps and the language structure was the same. Is this a possibility?
Could a person join for one month just to submit a review?
Paying someone $20 (buying them a membership) to submit a favorable review of your company could be very inexpensive advertising. Even paying lots of people to do that would be cost effective and give a business a huge boost.
This could be especially true if the business stood out incredibly far ahead of the pack - as the one I chose did. Subliminal marketing…
I wonder now if the contractors with less reviews might actually be more real.I pose these questions because of the quality of work the contractor I contacted showed me. Although the homeowner was very happy, I still wonder if this company may have padded their listing. Perhaps they really do have a huge business going — and maybe I don’t know what a professional remodel should look like.
Okay.
I’ve got it.
My criteria: There should be no obvious defects in workmanship and the job should blend well with the house. It should not stand out as a remodel.The contractor took us to see a “high-end” ($80,000) kitchen remodel that he had just completed. He was very proud of the workmanship and the homeowner was also very happy. I believe she found him on Angie’s List and that they did not know each other prior to the project. He said that she did not submit a review but I’m quite sure it would be favorable if she were to submit one.
The cost of this remodel was far higher than the (advertised) prices in the reviews that get a subscriber’s attention to call the company. Marketing. I’m just making a point. This is not a money issue for me.I’m not an expert, so some of the things that I didn’t care for may not really be a problem. Maybe just personal taste…
However, there were two things I noticed that I really believe were wrong…
After we returned home, I asked the contractor about the location of the seams in the granite counter top. I told him that I would prefer the seams in my counter to be located near the corner of the L.
He was quite adamant that these things were done properly and skillfully and that my opinion was wrong.This contractor made the granite seam straight through the center of the sink!
Not only was that the focal point of the kitchen, but it was also the narrowest and weakest part of the entire slab. The seam was wider than usual and the filler color made the joint obvious. I could also see the joint seam along the front edge of the bull nose from several feet away. The contractor told me that the bull nose seam is always visible regardless of who does the work. That is not true. This homeowner got shoddy workmanship on a very expensive part of her kitchen.
The cabinets were “custom”, but the upper cabinets on the sink side looked more like random pieces that would work. They were probably made for that kitchen and maybe the designer just wanted a lot of space around them. The staining on the cabinets didn’t look professional to me; I also had some issues with the tile work and edge pieces on the back splashes. The kitchen was not large and it did not have a huge number of cabinets. I think they overpaid for what they received, but I really don’t know.
So…what do I want?
Answers — and some reassurance that the list is valid and my experiences should improve.
Maybe, since Angie’s List depends on feedback, you might find my experience yesterday helpful. I did not (and will not) use this contractor, but I don’t care to leave negative feedback about work that someone is proud of and the homeowner is happy with. I wonder how many others out there might feel the same way?
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Did you send this letter to Angie's List or just this site?
When a report comes in, it is reviewed by a department at Angie’s List. It has a name, member number and address associated with it. While names aren’t published on the site, they can be viewed by companies and are viewable to employees of Angie’s List. Contractors are more than welcome to encourage members to submit reports. Therefore, it isn’t unusual to see a “bad” report and then positive reports following. After all, anyone in any service industry can tell you that you can’t make all people happy and you will eventually meet someone that doesn’t like the work you do.
Can a company buy memberships? When members purchase memberships, it is billed on a card that much match the name on the account. Can you get seated at a restaurant faster if you tip? I don’t know, but I’m sure someone can slip anyone $20. Can they do this as a marketing tool? Angie’s List would hear about it eventually. Some member would let it slip that John the Contractor bought him a membership in which case a legal investigation would ensue and that company would be permanently banned from Angie’s List.
I hope this new member takes the time to call or email Angie’s List to get reassurances. She obviously isn’t going to get it here!
clarification of origin of the mail
Tina,
I’ve clarified the introduction to make it more obvious that this was sent to Angies List first and then copied to me.
You have a lot of faith that “Angies List would hear about it eventually.” I don’t have the same faith that you do. Especially given all of the horror stories that people have related in the comments on these posts, it appears that there is a lot more shady dealings going on than there is honest we’re in it to help you kind of good natured company.
Well said, greggles
I own/operate a local business directory which I will not mention.
I heard about Angieslist.com recently and decided to check them out for ideas
about my own site.
After searching through five (5) categories, I finally found one with businesses listed
under it for my city.
I found it very interesting that, out of the four businesses listed, all of them received
a grade of … drum roll … wait for it …
“A”
That’s right. They all have the magic “A” next to their business, but no one left a specific
review for those companies. Isn’t that a bit curious? I think so.
See, my site utilizes two basic methods for rating a business: an anonymous
system of adding one (1) to five (5) stars, and a slightly less anonymous system of adding
a personalized review.
In the short time that my site has been up, most reviews have come from the star-based method.
There have been a few of what I call “drive-by” reviewers: a local business owner who works in
the same field/category, such as the cleaning services area, who adds one star to all of his
competitors, and he/she adds five stars to his own listing. Hence the drive-by method for adding
a review.
I track all visitors to my site, so I am my own system for checks and balances. If someone leaves
a negative review for a company so be it.
I really have to question Angieslist.com for the simple reason that if they’re soliciting businesses to
join their site, they’re not being honest and unbiased.
potential for an interesting algorithm!
If you see lots of sessions (or IP addresses) that “mark other people as 1 star and one business as 5 star” then you could start automatically removing those votes, our discounting their value in the final tally for the voters. Interesting ideas.
Angies List
Companies can not join Angies List. My company was on Angies List for as year before I knew one of our customers had put it on the site. You can not pay them to put you on it, and you can not request to get your company name off of it. They will refuse to take it off. They will tell you that they “can’t” remove it. Things go well for your business if you get the good reports. But get one F report and you are pretty much down the tubes for any new business until someone else puts a good one above it. The F report my company got is pretty much bogus. Yes I have not gotten the job done, but my work is seasonal, when you have 3 dry days in 30 its pretty hard to get there and finish. They said they called 3 times, they called once. I returned the call but no answer and no voice mail. They said that paid more than half of the job cost in a deposit and we had processed the check and that should have put them at the top of the list. Not so, the people that sent contacts in weeks before they did were about them on the top of the list. The job was for $550.00 and the deposit for $150.00…I’m sorry but that is not half. And I can rebuttle the report. But what I type in will be edited as I can not say that they did not pay that amount. That they didn’t call 3 times. So for the use of my company name that I can not get off this list I get a nice paper award and an invitation to pay 100.00 for my own nice wood and pretty one. So Angies list makes money on the people that sign up, I believe around 50.00 a membership, and the ride on the backs of the business owners. If they didn’t have the small business owner listed they wouldnt have a business, but the small business owner will get NO backup from Angies list. Your hung out to dry and told to call and talk to that person.
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